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Post by reb on Tue May 06, 2008 11:10 pm

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE NOTHING FORUM
we believe that all who come here have a right to free expres​sion(within legal bounds, and reasonable respect of others). we all understand that there WILL be misunderstandings. we hope that all involved will attempt to bring as much forgiveness, peace and compassion to the forum as they may be capable of....in cases of hurt, we hope that apologies will be issued. each of us has a right to express their best and worst. we hope to not harshly judge, but to help and assist each other in our continued growth as humans and as spiritual beings, and to further our understanding of ourselves and others.

our goal is to have a place where those who may feel unable or unwilling to express themselves elsewhere may do so here. if there is debate, we wish to keep it on the level of ideas, and not on a personal level. insults are not required; reasoned and logical debate is encouraged. we consider that all are created equal; their personal experiences may be difficult for us to understand, but we all wish to try.

joking and laughter is much desired; tears and despair may also take place. should you find yourself at either extreme, we hope you will feel welcome to express it; not to wallow in either poor humor, or to revel in ecstasy, but to share your feelings in their whole experience, and to grow on to tomorrow.

if you find that you do not like us, that is your right, as it is our right to decide we may not like you. we shall wish you no ill will should you move to another place you feel more comfortable. do not expect us to enable those who do not wish to grow. do not expect false sympathy or empathy. expect to be treated as another traveller; this is our inn. those who tarry here, do so because that is their desire, not because they are prisoners.

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Post by melodiccolor on Tue May 06, 2008 11:42 pm

Reb, I hope you don't mind if I move this to the "Suggestions to the forum" as it is related to what is there. I'll wait until you return to "Nothing" to move it so you'll know where it went.

There is a lot to think about in what you have written. I am going to need some time. But I see a whole lot I do like.
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Post by StrawberryLife on Wed May 07, 2008 6:07 pm

I see a whole lot I like too.... cyclops flower sunny
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Post by reb on Wed May 07, 2008 7:00 pm

as i tole ya on email, melodi, it's just another 'spewing'. y'all can move it to the trash can and start over...i won't get upset. what was said, can be said again; what has been done, can be done again....what was done, many times, cannot be undone, however, as cannot 'what has been said' lol!

gotta go wash my hair.....(rotflmao-Strawberry, you are a precious person....who'da thunk of something like taht but you....lol! i love it-the true definition of 'au natural' lol!)
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come to think of it, i wanna go see if that free generator will actually work.....if it was made in myanmar, it might blow up when the starter is pulled....the buddhists woont do that, would they? lol!

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Post by melodiccolor on Wed May 07, 2008 7:03 pm

I guess I need to check my emails; you must of just sent them within the last hour or so.
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Post by reb on Wed May 07, 2008 7:07 pm

our hours are dour; without power, our hours deflower....thought o fthis nower....

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Post by melodiccolor on Wed May 07, 2008 7:14 pm

Did lack of sleep cause your conscious to go offline to be replaced by your subconscious? Laughing Definately getting silly.
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Post by Nucky on Wed May 07, 2008 7:26 pm

I agree with everything in it so far, anyone have anything to add to it?
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Post by melodiccolor on Wed May 07, 2008 7:29 pm

I do, but I'm still thinking on it. The basics are all there though.
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Post by Logan (Earthmaiden) on Wed May 07, 2008 7:39 pm

Ok, i'm just going to put my thoughts right in the middle of this constitution for easy reading. K?

reb wrote:THE CONSTITUTION OF THE NOTHING FORUM
we believe that all who come here have a right to free expression (within legal bounds, and reasonable respect of others).

I think this is to vague, needs to be defined. What exactly is meant by within legal bounds and resonable respect for other. Could mean different things to different people.

we all understand that there WILL be misunderstandings. we hope that all involved will attempt to bring as much forgiveness, peace and compassion to the forum as they may be capable of....in cases of hurt, we hope that apologies will be issued. each of us has a right to express their best and worst.

Going to have define for me what you mean by this.


we hope to not harshly judge, but to help and assist each other in our continued growth as humans and as spiritual beings, and to further our understanding of ourselves and others.

our goal is to have a place where those who may feel unable or unwilling to express themselves elsewhere may do so here. if there is debate, we wish to keep it on the level of ideas, and not on a personal level. insults are not required; reasoned and logical debate is encouraged. we consider that all are created equal; their personal experiences may be difficult for us to understand, but we all wish to try.

Seems like if this is a hsp board that hsp should be mentioned somewhere in this constitution.

joking and laughter is much desired; tears and despair may also take place. should you find yourself at either extreme, we hope you will feel welcome to express it; not to wallow in either poor humor, or to revel in ecstasy, but to share your feelings in their whole experience, and to grow on to tomorrow.

if you find that you do not like us, that is your right, as it is our right to decide we may not like you. we shall wish you no ill will should you move to another place you feel more comfortable. do not expect us to enable those who do not wish to grow. do not expect false sympathy or empathy. expect to be treated as another traveller; this is our inn. those who tarry here, do so because that is their desire, not because they are prisoners.

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Post by melodiccolor on Wed May 07, 2008 8:19 pm

Logan wrote:Ok, i'm just going to put my thoughts right in the middle of this constitution for easy reading. K?

reb wrote:THE CONSTITUTION OF THE NOTHING FORUM
we believe that all who come here have a right to free expression (within legal bounds, and reasonable respect of others).

I think this is to vague, needs to be defined. What exactly is meant by within legal bounds and resonable respect for other. Could mean different things to different people.

we all understand that there WILL be misunderstandings. we hope that all involved will attempt to bring as much forgiveness, peace and compassion to the forum as they may be capable of....in cases of hurt, we hope that apologies will be issued. each of us has a right to express their best and worst.

Going to have define for me what you mean by this.


we hope to not harshly judge, but to help and assist each other in our continued growth as humans and as spiritual beings, and to further our understanding of ourselves and others.

our goal is to have a place where those who may feel unable or unwilling to express themselves elsewhere may do so here. if there is debate, we wish to keep it on the level of ideas, and not on a personal level. insults are not required; reasoned and logical debate is encouraged. we consider that all are created equal; their personal experiences may be difficult for us to understand, but we all wish to try.

Seems like if this is a hsp board that hsp should be mentioned somewhere in this constitution.

joking and laughter is much desired; tears and despair may also take place. should you find yourself at either extreme, we hope you will feel welcome to express it; not to wallow in either poor humor, or to revel in ecstasy, but to share your feelings in their whole experience, and to grow on to tomorrow.

if you find that you do not like us, that is your right, as it is our right to decide we may not like you. we shall wish you no ill will should you move to another place you feel more comfortable. do not expect us to enable those who do not wish to grow. do not expect false sympathy or empathy. expect to be treated as another traveller; this is our inn. those who tarry here, do so because that is their desire, not because they are prisoners.

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"Within legal bounds of the host and the country in which it resides, and of the United States..." the second part, "and reasonable respect of others" is meant to be a bit vague as human behavior is vast and unpredictable. We know it when we see lack of respect, but defining it can cause rigidity, when particular circumstances may call for flexibility.

Seems like if this is a hsp board that hsp should be mentioned somewhere in this constitution.
Well, the opening statement could read something like this: "This is a place where highly sensitive people can freely express themselves." Also, note that "highly sensitive people" will be mentioned in the forum title or subtitle when we finally decide on the name.

each of us has a right to express their best and worst.

Going to have define for me what you mean by this.

That is one thing I am working on. I have a few other things as well.
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Post by melodiccolor on Wed May 07, 2008 10:46 pm

reb wrote:THE CONSTITUTION OF THE NOTHING FORUM
we believe that all who come here have a right to free expres​sion(within legal bounds, and reasonable respect of others). we all understand that there WILL be misunderstandings. we hope that all involved will attempt to bring as much forgiveness, peace and compassion to the forum as they may be capable of....in cases of hurt, we hope that apologies will be issued. each of us has a right to express their best and worst. we hope to not harshly judge, but to help and assist each other in our continued growth as humans and as spiritual beings, and to further our understanding of ourselves and others.

our goal is to have a place where those who may feel unable or unwilling to express themselves elsewhere may do so here. if there is debate, we wish to keep it on the level of ideas, and not on a personal level. insults are not required; reasoned and logical debate is encouraged. we consider that all are created equal; their personal experiences may be difficult for us to understand, but we all wish to try.

joking and laughter is much desired; tears and despair may also take place. should you find yourself at either extreme, we hope you will feel welcome to express it; not to wallow in either poor humor, or to revel in ecstasy, but to share your feelings in their whole experience, and to grow on to tomorrow.

if you find that you do not like us, that is your right, as it is our right to decide we may not like you. we shall wish you no ill will should you move to another place you feel more comfortable. do not expect us to enable those who do not wish to grow. do not expect false sympathy or empathy. expect to be treated as another traveller; this is our inn. those who tarry here, do so because that is their desire, not because they are prisoners.

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OK, here is what I've come up with:
our goal is to have a place where those who may feel unable or unwilling to express themselves elsewhere may do so here.

How about instead: “Our goal is to have a place for hsp people to express themselves freely, including those who may feel unable or unwilling to do so elsewhere.”

each of us has a right to express their best and worst
adding the word "sentiments" or "thoughts" to the sentence maybe.

Replacing
“we consider that all are created equal”
with "we consider that all have something to contribute"
“insults are not required”
with "Personal attacks are not appropriate".

“not to wallow in either poor humor, or to revel in ecstasy, but to share your feelings in their whole experience, and to grow on to tomorrow.”
with "So that we may share in your experiences and you may heal and grow".
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Post by reb on Thu May 08, 2008 1:18 am

i dint want to limit the membership to hsp; i don't think non-hsp's will hang out here much, but i don't feel 'exclusionary'.

"Our goal is to have a place for hsp people to express themselves freely, including those who may feel unable or unwilling to do so elsewhere.” i would be fine with this, but i don't feel like hsp is necessary.

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each of us has a right to express their best and worst

adding the word "sentiments" or "thoughts" to the sentence maybe.

we believe that each of us has a right to express our best and worst sentiments and thoughts, with no fear of outright rejection, although there may be debate over the principles involved. eh?

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"we consider that all have something to contribute"

we both know you are a nicer person than i....i don't think everyone has something to contribute to everything...in fact, sometimes i see little value in some contributions....perhaps it's the widow's sou, and i jsut don't see it...Sad i'm really an 'we are all created equal' kind of person; what we do after we are created makes a big difference in how we turn out...but that's where growth comes in, and spirit...without the warrior spirit, people do not grow...so far, i know of no one here who is not a spiritual warrior....

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"Personal attacks are not appropriate".

to echo Logan, both ofus are vague here...what is a personal attack? what is an insult? they vary greatly from person to person....maybe we are better off sticking to 'keep things on a theoretical level; making another person feel that you are trying to 'get at them' is not warranted.....unless you are trying to get at them, in which case, be honest enough to state 'i don't like your idea; i think it is specious, and not fully thought out.' or something equally abrasive. then we can all have a free for all, chooose up sides, and do mud wrestling; the only requirement is the mud will be washed off, and everyone will return to their normal decent behaviour within a week. anyone not doing so is in danger of getting their screen name made fun of, their parentage doubted, and perhaps getting 'dogpiled' by those of us who do know how to 'get the hell over it'....

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So that we may share in your experiences and you may heal and grow".

i'm pretty much ok with that, although it leaves me vaguely disquieted for some reason...i dunno, i'll mull on it...

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I think this is to vague, needs to be defined. What exactly is meant by within legal bounds and resonable respect for other. Could mean different things to different people.

Logan, you brought it up. you define what is exactly meant. if you really go at it, it'll take you about three volumes. there has to be some room for personal consideration of circumstances and judgment in the admin's/mods decisions about 'what is too much'....i don't think you can define it without more work than you want; i'm pretty sure i can't either. i'll give it a serious shot, but try to stay brief and blunt:

'if you are any kind of child pornographer, any kind of abuser, want to put forth any hate of any group in general, want to foment violence, or break any laws constituting a felony or class a or b misdemeanor in any state, go elsewhere. we don't want your ass on here; in fact, we don't want to know you. if you like to call people idiots or stupid in print; if you like to make fun of their mistakes on a regular basis; if you want to be hurtful and nasty, go find a trashcan, crawl in it, and pull the lid on the top. we don't want shit to do with you or any of your fam damily, if they are like you.'

that's pretty much what i meant by 'within legal bounds and reasonable respect of others'....i'm sure it can be fleshed out, but the fleshing may take more time than any of us is willing toputinto it....i know i got a bridge game to go to tomorrow, and i'd a lot rather play bridge than spend the day on nexus...

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we all understand that there WILL be misunderstandings. we hope that all involved will attempt to bring as much forgiveness, peace and compassion to the forum as they may be capable of....in cases of hurt, we hope that apologies will be issued. each of us has a right to express their best and worst.

Going to have define for me what you mean by this.

i mean sometimes some of us are going to be assholes. sometimes others will think we are being assholes when we dont' really intend to be. i think it best to understand that everyone has a bad day once in awhile; those who have 365 bad days a year, i don't wanna be around, but mostly normal people, i can tolerate. if someone is tender on a day, and says to me 'reb, you asshole', then i don't want to fly off the handle; i want to say' why are you calling me an asshole?' (fo course, unless it's obvious-when i will say 'yep')-in the case of 'dork' that Fossy uses, i found she dint know what a dork was. i dint take offense; i kinda poked fun at her a few times, and she then likened me to homer simpson, which i said i think that she must be homer's daughter....instead of tearing at each other, we made the whole ting a joke. she apologized to me; i wasn't hurt, so much as surprised. if i think i hurt someone needlessly, i try to find it in myself to apologize. if on the other hand, they are being nasty, then i dont' apologize. sometimes, i try to apologize when i don't mean it to keep the peace; hell, i may be a jerk to them later, and they can take their turn sounding nice when they don't mean it-there is some value to civilized behaviour-it did cut down on the need for dueling pistols, and fencing fell out of favor (not the chain link kind, but the rapier kind, a la errol flynn)....this is the best and worst of me. i feel that everyone else has a right to their best and worst, too. there are some of us that are prevaricators....i have a great deal of trouble dealing with a prevaricator....but they have a right to lie like a rug if they want. that's their best, or perhaps their worst. in any case, i also have a right to stay away from those who prevaricate as a regular practice...but, again, they have a right to be any way they want to be....if they go 'over the line' and step into illegal or disrespectful territory (see above), then if i can find a way to grease their chute so they slide down it into perdition, i'm getting my crisco can out....lol! i hope this is clearer....

so anyway, i dint mention hsp, cause i think that it will be apparent to those who are not that they are strangers in a strange land, and either won't joiin in the first place, or will be gone shortly....

the sputterings of reb......dam, i love my new tractor! lol!
g'night, all. sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite...
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Post by Logan (Earthmaiden) on Thu May 08, 2008 1:55 pm

Thank you! thumbsup

I ask these things, not to be an asshole, but because if you are hoping to attract people off the internet who you don't know and who don't know you, it may be best to be as clear in the constitution as possible and not leave holes for people to step in or crawl thru. That's all.

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Post by Justin Passing on Thu May 08, 2008 3:03 pm

This is just some random stuff that I ended up jotting down. Although I'd love to settle in and try my hand at drafting a constitution for us, I have to resist that urge at the moment. Still, there may be some ideas in what follows that people may want to incorporate in one form or another. In other words, feel free to butcher my prose as much as you like, or ignore it completely.

The emphasis on this forum is all about being human. About allowing people to open up and express who they are in a free and open atmosphere. In order to facilitate that, members are strongly encouraged to be as considerate of the feelings of others as they can manage. Disagreeing is fine, but it should be done as respectfully as possible. Misunderstandings will happen, but hopefully they can be minimized through heavy use of "I" words and careful wording in posts to avoid offending others. After all, the point is to allow your message/ideas/feelings to be understood, and offending others tends to substantially interfere with that.

This forum is also intended to be a community. A place where highly sensitive people can get to know each other, discuss ideas, find a shoulder to cry on, and form relationships. It's expected that everyone will do their best to take care each other. If someone is hurting, be kind and supportive, or if you can't be supportive for some reason then be quiet and let others care for them. If you feel the need to slap someone, or otherwise lash out in anger or pain, stop. Think about what's going on - both for you, the other person, and the forum itself. Have you misinterpreted someone's post? Is someone simply having a bad day? Do you really need to defend yourself, or can you simply let it go? Whenever possible, find some way to transform a negative situation into a positive one. Vent in private, either to your self or possibly to others via PM or whatever. Whenever possible, do your best to keep conflict, pain, anger and hurt feelings from spreading throughout the forum. We're all highly sensitive, and very reactive. Keeping drama to a minimum is an important goal for us, and a difficult one, but one that's well worth the effort. A supportive atmosphere benefits us all, and undue drama can destroy that very quickly.


We should also consider "stealing" some of the standard boilerplate about trolls, flaming, racist attitudes, etc. In fact, a lot of the clarity we're seeking for "legal behavior" can be found in the standard forum rules templates. We'll need to edit it to make it our own, but it can provide a useful starting point.

And Logan - you're not being an asshole at all. We've developed a rather loose, freeform style of relating to each other, and topics tend to drift quite dramatically at times, with lots of humor thrown in. You'll get the hang of it fairly soon I'm sure. In essence, this group finds it more important to allow people to interact freely than to be disciplined about staying on topic, and serendipity tends to be a frequent & welcome guest. In fact, I expect that topics will end up getting split quite often in order to let a hot topic that suddenly appeared somewhere to develop without killing the topic it's in.
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Post by Logan (Earthmaiden) on Thu May 08, 2008 3:17 pm

The emphasis on this forum is all about being human. About allowing people to open up and express who they are in a free and open atmosphere. In order to facilitate that, members are strongly encouraged to be as considerate of the feelings of others as they can manage. Disagreeing is fine, but it should be done as respectfully as possible. Misunderstandings will happen, but hopefully they can be minimized through heavy use of "I" words and careful wording in posts to avoid offending others. After all, the point is to allow your message/ideas/feelings to be understood, and offending others tends to substantially interfere with that.

This forum is also intended to be a community. A place where highly sensitive people can get to know each other, discuss ideas, find a shoulder to cry on, and form relationships. It's expected that everyone will do their best to take care each other. If someone is hurting, be kind and supportive, or if you can't be supportive for some reason then be quiet and let others care for them. If you feel the need to slap someone, or otherwise lash out in anger or pain, stop. Think about what's going on - both for you, the other person, and the forum itself. Have you misinterpreted someone's post? Is someone simply having a bad day? Do you really need to defend yourself, or can you simply let it go? Whenever possible, find some way to transform a negative situation into a positive one. Vent in private, either to your self or possibly to others via PM or whatever. Whenever possible, do your best to keep conflict, pain, anger and hurt feelings from spreading throughout the forum. We're all highly sensitive, and very reactive. Keeping drama to a minimum is an important goal for us, and a difficult one, but one that's well worth the effort. A supportive atmosphere benefits us all, and undue drama can destroy that very quickly.

Ok, let's see how I can say this so that it's not misunderstood and so that my message comes through clearly...........

Justin, what you have written is stupendously, fabulously, exceptionally wonderful.....at least in my opinion. cheers

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Post by Rivershine on Thu May 08, 2008 3:22 pm

Logan wrote:
The emphasis on this forum is all about being human. About allowing people to open up and express who they are in a free and open atmosphere. In order to facilitate that, members are strongly encouraged to be as considerate of the feelings of others as they can manage. Disagreeing is fine, but it should be done as respectfully as possible. Misunderstandings will happen, but hopefully they can be minimized through heavy use of "I" words and careful wording in posts to avoid offending others. After all, the point is to allow your message/ideas/feelings to be understood, and offending others tends to substantially interfere with that.

This forum is also intended to be a community. A place where highly sensitive people can get to know each other, discuss ideas, find a shoulder to cry on, and form relationships. It's expected that everyone will do their best to take care each other. If someone is hurting, be kind and supportive, or if you can't be supportive for some reason then be quiet and let others care for them. If you feel the need to slap someone, or otherwise lash out in anger or pain, stop. Think about what's going on - both for you, the other person, and the forum itself. Have you misinterpreted someone's post? Is someone simply having a bad day? Do you really need to defend yourself, or can you simply let it go? Whenever possible, find some way to transform a negative situation into a positive one. Vent in private, either to your self or possibly to others via PM or whatever. Whenever possible, do your best to keep conflict, pain, anger and hurt feelings from spreading throughout the forum. We're all highly sensitive, and very reactive. Keeping drama to a minimum is an important goal for us, and a difficult one, but one that's well worth the effort. A supportive atmosphere benefits us all, and undue drama can destroy that very quickly.

Ok, let's see how I can say this so that it's not misunderstood and so that my message comes through clearly...........

Justin, what you have written is stupendously, fabulously, exceptionally wonderful.....at least in my opinion. cheers

I agree! Justin, you rock! headbang beatingheart
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Post by melodiccolor on Thu May 08, 2008 3:29 pm

It looks like we need to incorporate both versions; there is a lot of overlap, but there are things each covers that the other does not. My early reaction to Justin's: we need to be careful that we don't end up with a situation simular to another forum where people are so concerned with others' sensitivities that they are afraid to speak freely if they have a difference of opinion (and get banned easily there).

Adapting other mission statements into our legal definition is also something that had occured to me earlier. It is an easy way to deal with it.
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Post by Logan (Earthmaiden) on Thu May 08, 2008 3:45 pm

melodiccolor wrote:It looks like we need to incorporate both versions; there is a lot of overlap, but there are things each covers that the other does not. My early reaction to Justin's: we need to be careful that we don't end up with a situation simular to another forum where people are so concerned with others' sensitivities that they are afraid to speak freely if they have a difference of opinion (and get banned easily there).

Adapting other mission statements into our legal definition is also something that had occured to me earlier. It is an easy way to deal with it.

This is a good point Melodi, and that's why I think it's important to stress the importance of using 'I think' in responding sometimes, instead of 'you should'. You know what I mean? I think that we can express ourselves well, without hurting peoples feelings if we can keep in mind that our responses should not sound critical of anyone specific, but instead should sound like expressions of concern. Come on now, we can do that. We are never too old, too young, or too dumb to learn better ways of communicating and we can learn as we go.

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Post by melodiccolor on Thu May 08, 2008 3:50 pm

Logan wrote:
melodiccolor wrote:It looks like we need to incorporate both versions; there is a lot of overlap, but there are things each covers that the other does not. My early reaction to Justin's: we need to be careful that we don't end up with a situation simular to another forum where people are so concerned with others' sensitivities that they are afraid to speak freely if they have a difference of opinion (and get banned easily there).

Adapting other mission statements into our legal definition is also something that had occured to me earlier. It is an easy way to deal with it.

This is a good point Melodi, and that's why I think it's important to stress the importance of using 'I think' in responding sometimes, instead of 'you should'. You know what I mean? I think that we can express ourselves well, without hurting peoples feelings if we can keep in mind that our responses should not sound critical of anyone specific, but instead should sound like expressions of concern. Come on now, we can do that. We are never too old, too young, or too dumb to learn better ways of communicating and we can learn as we go.

I don't disagree. otoh, people need to feel free to be themselves too, as long as they don't leave a wake of bad feelings and hurt behind them.
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Post by Logan (Earthmaiden) on Thu May 08, 2008 3:58 pm

people need to feel free to be themselves too, as long as they don't leave a wake of bad feelings and hurt behind them.

Exactly, that's why being mindful of how we say things will allow us to be able to express freely without hurting feelings.

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Post by melodiccolor on Thu May 08, 2008 4:33 pm

Personally, I am always mindful of what I say. It has never stopped people from taking things out of context however. And sometimes, what is needed to be said will cause some hurt, even if it is meant to be helpful and supportive. On the other forum, several people are really afraid of that and always apoligising for having an honest difference of opinion.

Such an atmosphere is stifling and we are trying to avoid it here. It is one of the main reasons some of us are no longer at the other forum, while others of us still go there, but it is not our main forum. It does have a lot of good people as members and we keep in touch for that reason.

We need to distinguish between saying something necessary that may cause hurt, and deliberately saying something for the sake of hurting someone or just being careless and causing pain because that person didn't feel it necessary to take care.
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Post by Justin Passing on Thu May 08, 2008 6:11 pm

I never intended my "snipits" to stand alone. They're just some feelings about one area that I think should be addressed in our "constitution". And I expect my prose needs some work. Some clarification, some simplification, some elaboration, whatever. As a complete statement of acceptable behaviour it could be interpreted as trying to create a virtual "Mr Rogers Neighborhood", and that would be bad in my opinion. We want more freedom of expression than that. More freedom to be who we are.

That's the crux of the balancing act we're attempting to elucidate I think. To find a balance point between free speech and consideration of the feelings of others. We need to balance our own need to express ourselves, and what we're feeling, freely with our own tendencies to get hurt by what others say. Careful wording is key in my opinion, but a very sincere effort to allow people to express themselves freely is equally important. Living with that will require us to stop-look-listen a lot as we react, sometimes negatively, to what others say, but that in itself is a good skill to develop. It can lead to us becoming less "reactive" overall, and can lead to a more pleasant life.
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Post by reb on Thu May 08, 2008 7:44 pm

i'm not going to name any names; all y'all can figger out who fits the description, and it's not anybody i kknow of on this forum....

there are some people who take anything said personal; they recoil in horror from any expression that doesn't fit the 'picture in their head'; they need professional help, and i aint it. i am NOT always mindful of what i say; i try to 'scrape off the edges' of things, but sometimes, the edge has to be there, or 'it's not me', and perhaps it's not beneficial to the other person...some conflict is necessary for growth. mollycoddled people never make it well in 'rl'. anyway, i don't disagree strongly with anything said so far. i think a lot of 'the guts' are there; someone who has the ability should congeal them into a pudding. personally, i am willing to try this with no rules at all, as i have said, except the 'hosts'' rules...

in nature, some animals are eaten by others; i am not god; i'm not going to try to change that. in human society, some people get bit by others; i am not god, i'm not going to try to change that. the bitten need to learn to bite back. if they are 'protected' all the time, they'll never learn. people have got to progress, or die...that's just the way the 'rules of this world' work....again, i am not god, and i'm not going to try to change that, and i'm not going to tell you it aint so, because it is so. if you don't think it's so, then you will have to live with your illusion, and object to the way i am, and 'it' is....as i sometimes do, 'objections are so noted; now for further business' Smile

i don't want a haven for the abused and i ahve to mollycoddle all in it. i mollycoddle my chickens, and mostly my dog. that's all the coddling i want. (oh, i also mollycoddle most of my working equipment...lol!)......i don't want 'the ultimate fighting octagon' either; i do not care to encourage that in myself or others. somewhere in the middle would be great....whereever that's at...i'm sure, for everyone, it's at a slightly different point on the scale....so where's the middle, the median and the mean? we don't want extremes, so where are the extremes, and then we work from there...i dunno if what i said or what Justin said or anyone else is 'it', but we're close to it....imo.

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Post by melodiccolor on Thu May 08, 2008 7:51 pm

I think we're close to it also. That was the point of having a place for group discussion, to figure all this out. This is not an easy thing nor a simple thing to do and we want it to be the best we can. So it is going to take some thought and time. Maybe what we need is a few basic guidelines in the meantime but there doesn't seem to be an urgency on that either, at least not yet Rolling Eyes .
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Post by adain on Sat May 10, 2008 12:16 am

I like the idea of the constitution, and the contributions thus far. I seemed to be writing profuse compliments all over this board. The fact that people have taken time out to write a consitution (and are willing to fine tune it and stick to it) shows that you guys take quite seriously the need for freedom of speech, and respect for people to be truely themselves somewhere. Best of all I like the idealism of it all. It's a beautiful thing and very refreshing.
I feeling a bit sappy obviously, but the sentiments in place.
As far as I can see the basics are in place. If I think of anything, I add it. Either that, or I rewrite the magna carta. (-:
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Post by melodiccolor on Sat May 10, 2008 12:40 am

Thanks for the vote of confidence. If you can think of anyway to refine all this or put it all together, it would be welcome. This was always meant to be a shared vision. Very Happy
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Post by melodiccolor on Wed May 14, 2008 8:43 pm

This draft is a synthesis of what has been written before, condensed down as much as possible.

The Constitution of our Forum

Mission statement:

This is primarily a forum for highly sensitive people, but all are welcome here in our virtual town.

We believe that all who come here have a right to free expres​sion(within legal bounds and with reasonable respect of others). There must be a balance between free speech and the consideration of the feelings of others. Our virtual town is a place where people can enjoy themselves, laugh, create, engage in stimulating discussion, make friends and get help and emotional support from one another.

Law enforcement

This forum is a bit different in that the board members will aid in helping to keep this a place that remains friendly to its members.

The administrators and moderators will only take action when things start to get out of control in a dispute and it is clear that the problem will not resolve itself, but only worsen. Depending on the severity of the problem, moderators will first try to resolve things by talking to the affected parties privately. If that doesn’t resolve things or the problem is more severe than that, then moderators or administrators may freeze a thread, set up a “town meeting” in order for members to vote after laying out the problem and some possible solutions. During this time, people involved in a dispute are asked to not talk about it on the forum. If they persist, they may be given time outs.

There will be exceptions, when administrators and moderators will take unilateral action, including time outs, bannings, and deletion of posts. These are for the most serious of offenses, such as illegal activities, trolling, flaming, breaking host rules, etc. (See Legal Rules)

Legal Rules:

It is illegal to harass or threaten anyone. We reserve the right to delete posts that can be construed as threatening, harassing or stalking. We also reserve the right to make these posts available to the proper law enforcement authorities.

You are not to post the personal identifying information of others, including phone numbers, addresses, and social security numbers. You also may not post other personal information about anyone without their permission. This may include full personal names. We also strongly discourage such posting of your own information on such things as we can not control how that information may be used by others.

Plagarism and other copyright violations are also forbidden. People will be posting their original work and they need to feel safe that their work will not be stolen or plagiarized in any way.


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Post by Logan (Earthmaiden) on Wed May 14, 2008 10:32 pm

Sounds good Mel. thumbsup

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